During the last year, Solus OS has been developed into a very hospitable ambience to coexist with computing machines. Congratulations to the entire team. The moment we have all been excitingly waiting for quite a while is very very near. In my opinion, if new users must do a battle to get a simple basic things done - the big chance for Solus 4 to attract many new Internauts and become best of the best Linux distributions will be lost. You've been working very hard in our interest, please don't miss that great opportunity. So, in this sense here it is regarding simple basic operations... NR.1: some applications (normal/snap/flatpak) still can't be pinned to additional left panel (LibreOffice for example). NR.2: change of log-in screen background is inadmissibly complicated. NR.3: in many cases the screen brightness is still unadjustable (for example Nvidia without Optimus) in a normal way without complicating with 'xbacklight'. NR.4: It would be great if during the installation process user can set the performance level, privacy level and updating strategy (all packages or only the choosen ones). NR.5: X.Org Server 1.20 should be a must have, or not?

I think what you request is too much work for an imminent (?) release. Perhaps this should go in the list of features Solus shall have (cant' recall the Task name, sorry).

At the end of the day @crom5 we aren't adding anything new to the Solus 4 work items. We don't need anything new delaying release. I will however address your points for the sake of completeness:

1. is due to upstream not setting an appropriate wm-class and is at best a Budgie issue
2. isn't exposed through the Gnome Control Center (or dconf afaik) so not much we can do about that at the moment (file a Task if you want us to revisit it)
3. has always been an issue on linux and is usually down to a poor ACPI implementation in your laptop's firmware. The best we can do in a lot of cases is just make sure you are getting newer kernels with upstream workarounds.
4. We aren't focused on the installer this release, but for the sake of clarity:
   • Solus doesn't have performance levels; nothing to configure
   • Solus doesn't have privacy levels; nothing to configure
   • Updating strategy is handled by the Software Center and is easy enough to change, so I don't see why it is needed at this point in time
5. Xorg can happen after release, as it won't affect the ISO all that much. It's not like Solus 4 will be stuck on the current release of Xorg until Solus 5. Kinda the point of being a Rolling Release distro.

In T5010#116979, @livingsilver94 wrote:

I think what you request is too much work for an imminent (?) release. Perhaps this should go in the list of features Solus shall have (cant' recall the Task name, sorry).

Minor grammatical point: In the English language the word "shall" is used as a command, not a suggestion. We take much more kindly to the latter than the former ;-)

In T5010#116984, @DataDrake wrote:

In T5010#116979, @livingsilver94 wrote:

I think what you request is too much work for an imminent (?) release. Perhaps this should go in the list of features Solus shall have (cant' recall the Task name, sorry).

Minor grammatical point: In the English language the word "shall" is used as a command, not a suggestion. We take much more kindly to the latter than the former ;-)

Oh, sorry for that! My reference point was "Shall we dance?" movie that sounds like a proposal ?

Could the performance level he talks about be the CPU governor?

Users are still experiencing many problems in Windows. The fact is that they "accept" mentioned situation because it mostly happens on the complex level. On the other hand, Linux is very great on the complex level but it "sucks" on the very basic level - and that my friend for 7 billions of newbies is not acceptable at all.
Maybe you haven't noticed but we all expecting Formula 1; it is totally unimportant if Formula 1 problem on the very basic level is upstream or not if one leaves Formula 1 before he even learn what does upstream means.
PS. please don't get me wrong, I expressed this thoughts with best wishes and intentions - if Solus is already fantastic it doesn't mean that it can't be even better :)

In T5010#116995, @crom5 wrote:

Users are still experiencing many problems in Windows. The fact is that they "accept" mentioned situation because it mostly happens on the complex level. On the other hand, Linux is very great on the complex level but it "sucks" on the very basic level - and that my friend for 7 billions of newbies is not acceptable at all.
Maybe you haven't noticed but we all expecting Formula 1; it is totally unimportant if Formula 1 problem on the very basic level is upstream or not if one leaves Formula 1 before he even learn what does upstream means.
PS. please don't get me wrong, I expressed this thoughts with best wishes and intentions - if Solus is already fantastic it doesn't mean that it can't be even better :)

This is not a platform for the promotion of your ideologies: is it a support system for users of Solus.

While I understand your frustration, the simple fact of the matter is that we have limited time to work on things, so naturally some things take longer or simply never happen. For example, I cannot in good conscience spend the next 6 months doing nothing but reverse-engineering one of thousands of sub-standard Firmware implementation to fix someones backlight controls. Nor am I personally going to spend the next several months arguing with the LibreOffice devs to fix their handling of wm-class. I am here to do as much as I can for the majority of users, not to fix every little wrinkle.

Same was posted on reddit for those who want to discuss about it. Let's keep this place from tracking/following de issues !

"Hotspot Not Working" is resolved and should have been checked.

And budgie should be changed to Budgie 10.5 if I remember right

Thanks @maverick1 and @Jacalz, task has been updated.

You are welcome @JoshStrobl ? Just wondering about the visual refresh of Mate, what more is planned? I know that the notification theme slate, Adapta theme and papirus icons but is there even more planned?

@Jacalz Nothing further planned at this moment in time, no. If people have more ideas then I'm sure we'd love to hear it!

I would like to see the same thing as earlier in this thread. That is moving the clock so it isn’t that awfully close to the screen edge and also removing the separators from the panel! See the comments by me and @ikey earlier in the thread for more info ? @JoshStrobl

@JoshStrobl any plans to add hotcorners to budgie 10.5 ?

People like hotcorners? They always annoy me a ton.

@mroussel No. Once I'm finished with the work on the improved sound applets (I still need to sit down and focus on rewriting BudgieExpander logic), I'll be putting out a blog post detailing plans for Budgie 10.5 and beyond. But hotcorners aren't in scope for Budgie 10 series.

@Jacalz Yea that seems fairly reasonable to me.

Looks like removing separators is no go from Tista's part. He has updated them though and they look quite a lot better:

@Jacalz Our change of the panel layout doesn't rely on changes to a theme.

Well, the separators in question was actually part of the theme and not the panel layout @JoshStrobl

Is it possible to get T4617 (Solus Mate: Hibernate Not Working) fixed for Solus 4 ?

I would like to suggest adding virtualbox-guest-current & virtuabox-guest-common on the ISO.

The reason I am asking this is because yesterday I noticed that the boot resolution of the Solus Gnome 3.9999 in a guest machine is 800x600 (and doesn't change when the virtualbox window is resized), so the apply button of the os-installer or of the settings (thus to change the screen resolution) is out of the screen.
With the virtualbox-guest packages installed resizing the window should change the guest machine resolution on the fly.

@kyrios123 I'd say the performance of VBox guests should be improved first, it's slow as hell. Also, adding to your opinion, open-vm-tools should be included too after fixing T6966: open-vm-tools don't work

In T5010#134247, @Gaming4LifeDE wrote:

@kyrios123 I'd say the performance of VBox guests should be improved first, it's slow as hell. Also, adding to your opinion, open-vm-tools should be included too after fixing T6966: open-vm-tools don't work

Regarding the vbox guest performances, On my computer, I haven't noticed any difference between Solus or Ubuntu/Linux Mint MATE as guest.
I would be interested to get some more details to identify what's wrong. Perhaps it would be nice to run a few benchmark on 2 similar VM's with Solus and another Linux distro.

You can see the scrolling lag horribly and the more programs you open, the slower it gets. I had Ubuntu Budgie running as a comparison and it was a good bit faster. And for open-vm-tools: they don't seem to be active at all. You try resizing the screen - nothing. Shared clipboard? Nope. And so on.

@ Solus team: Just wondering if the new Software Center is still being worked on? 'Cause I know Ikey was primarily developing it. No rush or anything, just wanted to know if it's still being worked on :)

@Vistaus iirc they've deferred it to a later release, as noted in the In Full Sail blog post:

For Solus 4, our primary focus at this moment in time is the finalizing of Budgie 10.5 and deferring the Software Center to a later 4.x release.

@serebit Thanks, I must've missed that part!

Can we get an update for this?

From the blog:

February will be spent on enabling GNOME 3.30 support in a manner which should maintain compatibility with the GNOME 3.28 stack (such as libmutter-2). With such upgrade, we’ll also be tagging a Budgie 10.5.1 release and release Solus 4.1 alongside it.

Regarding Solus 4.0 instead, Budgie 10.5 has apparently been delayed a little, so the same fate will be reserved for 4.0 I guess.